18/8 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons Franchise Warning

18/8 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons overstates the success of its franchises and understates its franchise failures, according to a franchise owner who provided this anonymous complaint.  We invite others to validate or dispute this claim – and share their opinions of the Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salon franchise, the Griff’s Shave Bar franchise, and franchisor Ultimate Franchises Inc.

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Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons – How Many Open / Closed / Rebranded? is an anonymously submitted guest post penned by a current or former 18/8 franchise owner.

Scott Griffiths 18/8 SalonsWe have not verified the claims made herein, and invite readers and the company to validate or dispute this and other complaints regarding the 18/8 Fine Men’s Salon franchise or the sister concept Griff’s Shave Bar.

The writer believes all information and numbers to be accurate, but invites readers to verify independently and draw their own conclusions.

Here’s the Guest Post:

Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons – How Many Open / Closed / Rebranded?

Submitted by An 18/8 Franchise Owner.

In a recent Forbes interview (dated 6/13/18), franchise CEO (Chief Exaggerating Officer), Scott Griffiths severely overstates franchise success, open location count, and units in development of the 18/8 Fine Men’s Salon franchise chain.

Scott Griffiths is also the principal of Ultimate Franchises Inc. and the sub-brand Griff’s Shave Bar.

The premise of the article is how the financial crisis helped 18|8 Fine Men’s Salons grow faster through franchising than it would have organically.

While franchising has helped the 18|8 brand grow in store count in recent years, the rapid closing of locations throughout the country has led to many franchisees losing their life savings.

Griffiths states in the article, “Since franchising, 18|8 Fine Men’s Salons has grown to nearly 100 locations, with more than 150 in development.”

Eighteen Eight’s own website only lists 61 operating locations. Where are the other 39?

In a recent internal call with franchisees, Griffiths claims 75 open locations.

Did he mean “nearly” 75?

Where is the truth?

24 18/8 Fine Men’s Salons Have Closed

Eighteen Eight FranchiseBy our count, 24 stores have closed, including Irvine Westpark, which was once the highest grossing location in the country.

1. Irvine, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salon-irvine-2)

2. Westlake Village, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/eighteen-eight-fine-mens-salon-westlake-village)

3. San Rafael, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salon-san-rafael)

4. Walnut Creek, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-walnut-creek-walnut-creek-2)

5. Culver City, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-culver-city-culver-city-5)

6. La Jolla, CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-la-jolla-la-jolla-2)

7. Little Italy (San Diego), CA (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-broadstone-little-italy-san-diego)

8. Washington, DC (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-washington)

9. Coral Gables, FL (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salon-coral-gables)

10. Bethesda, MD (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-bethesda-bethesda)

11. Maple Lawn, MD (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-maple-lawn-fulton-2)

12. North Baltimore, MD (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-greenspring-baltimore-2)

13. St. Louis Park, MN (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-st-louis-park-st-louis-park-2)

14. Bedminster, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-bedminster)

15. Westwood, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-westwood)

16. Florham Park, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-florham-park-florham-park)

17. Edgewater, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-city-place-edgewater-edgewater)

18. Livingston, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-livingston-livingston)

19. Woodbury, NJ (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-woodbury-woodbury)

20. Beachwood, OH (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-beachwood-beachwood-2)

21. Avon Commons, OH (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-avon-commons-avon)

22. Lake Oswego, OR (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-lake-oswego-lake-oswego-4)

23. McKinney, TX (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-mckinney-mckinney)

24. Fort Worth, TX (https://www.yelp.com/biz/18-8-fine-mens-salons-fort-worth-fort-worth)

19 Eighteen Eight Salon Locations Have Rebranded

Griff's Shave BarIt appears that 19 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salon locations have rebranded:

1. Ocotillo, AZ

2. Waterfront, AZ

3. Newport Beach, CA

4. West Hollywood, CA

5. Dublin, CA

6. Brea, CA

7. Huntington Beach, CA

8. Campbell, CA

9. Roseville, CA

10. Mountain View, CA

11. Laguna Niguel, CA

12. Closter, NJ

13. Jersey City, NJ

14. Mamaroneck, NJ

15. Cool Springs, TN

16. Plano, TX

17. Flower Mound, TX

18. Richardson, TX

19. Bothell, WA

6 Other 18/8 Franchise Locations Have Been Taken Over by Corporate

6 other former franchise locations have had operations taken over by 18|8 corporate;

1. Anaheim Hills, CA

2. Lake Forest, CA

3. Centennial, CO

4. Annapolis, MD

5. Princeton, NJ

6. Powell, OH

The franchise page of the eighteeneight.com franchise website states:  “Total Investment Range is $291,851 – $513,639 for a single 18|8 Fine Men’s Salon.”

Considering all store closures, rebrands, and corporate takeovers, this equates to $14.3-$25.1 million in lost investor value. This total does not include resales that have netted the original owner negative value.

Scott Griffiths claims 150 units in development.   In the first 6 months of 2018 alone, over 2 dozen locations have either closed or rebranded, while only 2 new locations have opened.   In an amazing twist of irony; the recent Forbes article is titled “Growth Stories: How the Financial Crisis Caused This Business To Grow Ten Times Faster.”

Share your personal Growth Story with 18|8 Fine Men’s Salons in the comments.

[End of Guest Submitted Content]

See how many locations Ultimate Franchises, Inc. claims to have as of July, 2017.  See Item 20 for location and sales information, and the exhibits for a list of current and former franchise owners:

18/8 Fine Men’s Salons Franchise Disclosure Document 7/17



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307 thoughts on “18/8 Eighteen Eight Fine Men’s Salons Franchise Warning

  • October 1, 2019 at 11:41 am

    To Margaret’s point, I got off to a great start and after three months in business was convinced break even was just a few short months away. As we all know now, there is no such thing as marginal productivity in this model. It ended up taking me two years and several hundred thousand in working capital to reach break even.

    I took two validation calls in the first three months and spoke highly of the concept. One of those callers ended up opening a salon. To this day, I feel very guilty about that call and the only thing I can say in my defense was I really believed I was on the way to profitability. If the Palm Springs franchisee reads this – please forgive me for misleading you so badly.

  • October 2, 2019 at 3:44 pm

    I think that most of us were led to believe that we were “off to a great start.” That was part of the scam script, and the “Corporate” employee coaches were fully aware of our false hope because they were also coaching the franchisees who had already learned the truth. Corporate also made a point of recruiting newbies to participate in validation calls while the newbies still believed that they were on the path to break-even. Damn them all to hell.

  • October 13, 2019 at 12:09 am

    W. Scott’s full incompetence on display in the publicly available bankruptcy docs. Every single corp owned location was losing (bleeding) money at the time Ultimate Brands declared bankruptcy. A blind monkey would have done better. Compare these to the numbers in the FDD.

    Location // YTD Gross Income // YTD Gross Expenses // YTD Net Income
    Costa Mesa, CA // $254,472.17 // $309,376.22 // -$54,904.05
    Temecula, CA // $81,401.41 // $132,462.73 // -$51,061.32
    Newport Beach, CA // $9,490.10 // $9,556.58 // -$66.48
    Lake Forest, CA // $73,281.35 // $153,031.64 // -$79,750.29
    North Scottsdale, AZ // $64,246.87 // $64,404.42 // -$307.55
    Pasadena, CA // $272,984.24 // $334,045.93 // -$61.061.69
    Topanga, CA // $285,415.53 // $366,382.61 // -$80,967.08

  • October 15, 2019 at 6:52 pm

    Everybody get their bankruptcy mailer?

  • October 19, 2019 at 7:42 pm

    I didn’t get anything. What was in it?

  • October 20, 2019 at 2:08 pm


  • October 20, 2019 at 10:42 pm

    I think STG’s Lance Freeman, who is now President, was possibly rewarded for his break-neck 18|8 franchisees selling in spite of the repudiation by CNBC’s Marcus Lemonis, may have some legal exposure. Lance was the guide leading investors to the connection with this franchisor. He educated folks over multiple sessions, using his position as a franchising expert he fielded lots of questions in getting folks to the buy. He would (or should) have known about the improbability of YOY and cross-store consistency of the 47.0% COGS %’s in the FDDs given the 3 levels of stylists, product level fluctuation, etc. He also should have known that corporate’s high producing stylists were contractors despite his selling us on the employee model. The FDD’s COGS reflecting contractor vs. he was selling, made the FDD ‘apple’ and an ‘orange’ purchased. Lance provided the contractor affected 47% FDD figure to potential investors in use for their analysis that were also embedded in the FDD numbers, if legit, would have been the effect of paying payroll taxes on the 8% of tips, while the customers were paying 20%. Several people have reported that he told franchisees and another buyer was about to buy the territory they were looking at. Nice line used over and over so the prospects would not research much further, but stay focused on the misleading FDDs, the information provided at Discovery Day and the information he provided in those educational systems. Time was not Scott’s/Lance’s side. You had to decide immediately.

    Also, as noted above, Lance also appears to have carefully steered prospects to talk to only those franchisees he suspected would be giving glowing reports on their decision to pay $100K for rights to opening a business that will most likely ever have a recovery of their investment. He urged franchisees on several occasions to raise to their hands talk to potential investors. Funny, folks with not so great of an experience with 18|8, in many cases with longer tenures, were passed over.

    Without Lance’s efforts, it would appear that Scott would not have been able to accomplish what he intended, albeit with consequences felt by so many. For his lockstep help and navigation using flawed representations, Lance, who was contracted help, was even on the corporate Christmas card sent to all the franchisees.

    Sounds like culpability.

  • November 2, 2019 at 8:29 pm

    W. Scott Griffiths is still doing interviews trying to sell franchises, even after being removed due to incompetence. Published on 10/7/19. This man is a total embarrassment. It’s like he’s in denial. What is he still getting out of it after Chapter 7? Is it just a show for his own ego?


  • November 3, 2019 at 1:48 am

    Just launched this. Per the episode website, it was posted 26 days ago from the date of this note. Unless the website had some huge delay from the original airing, the appears to be just more fraud on top of the other fraud.

    Love the way SG answers the softball questions by someone who has done zero research before giving access to their audience. Ryan Hicks essentially owns up to, at the front of the interview. In the end, if people invest, in part, due to people putting on people who tell lies to get people to invest, then it makes them look really bad.

    FYI, I noticed just now 11 different “business” SG appears to have setup or has been a principal in.

    Seems like a lot.

    William & Scott, Inc.
    1) Grreat Griff
    2) 2Ultimatebrands
    3) Ultimate Franchises, Inc
    4) Scott Griffiths Design Associates, Inc.
    5) Great Griffs Two Corp
    6) 18/8 Fine Men’s Salons
    8) Boombang Ventures, Inc
    9) Boombang, Lic
    10) Men’s Haircare Online Booking
    11) Mana Concepts, Inc

    His business associates come up as Lisa Lu Hwong, age 90 and Jeffrey J McLaren, age 50.

    Chris, thanks for sharing the interview note.

  • November 5, 2019 at 12:56 pm

    all associated in some way or another with the IFPG broker organization. do not engage them.

  • November 9, 2019 at 6:51 pm

    Did IFPG make this site do as it says?

    The “founder” is boasting that they would and now it appears they did.

    Anybody know the ifpg’s true origin?

    And is anybody know why no one ever shows up to any other webinars or calls?

    Claim to have all these members but France or seems to be two or three times larger

  • November 10, 2019 at 6:26 pm

    According to IFPG, Franchise consultants/broker average between $18K to $30K for a one-unit sale. Multi-units are much, much more. (https://www.ifpg.org/franchise-consultant-training/how-much-can-i-make/)

    States don’t even validate FDD numbers when there is that much incentive to falsify the records.

    In CA almost everything is regulated. Yet, for franchising, you can just make stuff up or choose what not to put into an FDD that is required. No worries. The scamming doesn’t hold you criminally accountable,

    The franchisor’s consultant/broker is motivated to pass on the lie when lest they lose X times $30K

    STG gained a lot by following along with SG’s scam. No motivation to ensure the lawsuit not listed in FDD was listed or require to see private financial records showing COGS and income provided, etc.

    I wonder how much STG took in from playing along.

  • November 12, 2019 at 12:27 pm

    To understand the large groups like IFPG and FranServe is to see why the operate the way they do. These organizations make the bulk of their money getting brokers to join at $19,900 – $24,900 and then either charge a monthly membership fee or take a royalty in FranServe’s case which depending on who you ask is a violation of franchise law. They also make a significant amount of money bringing in franchisors at a monthly or yearly fee ranging from $150 a month to over $10k a year. Despite their claims these big broker groups rarely, if ever truly vet the franchises they represent. If they will pay the fees then according to the groups they are a good franchisor which unfortunately is rarely the case. The unsuspecting brokers take their groups leadership at their word and try to promote these brands only to have their prospects learn that the franchise is not what it is cracked up to be which leads to not only no revenue for the broker but can damage the broker’s reputation as well. Now don’t get me wrong, these groups DO represent some very strong franchises, but the more they can claim they have helps recruit more brokers. “We are the biggest because we have 500 brands” is a common claim which at face value sounds great but in reality only a small fraction of them are actually selling any units, much less a worthwhile investment. I was recently told that a large portion of the brands that are represented by these groups do not even have any franchisees, just a company owned unit. Unfortunately the big groups like IFPG and FranServe have gotten away from wanting to actually help franchisors grow and are focused on lining their own pockets by overpromising and under delivering to brokers and franchisors. The business model has changed tremendously in recent years.

  • November 12, 2019 at 1:10 pm

    To this question… “Anybody know the ifpg’s true origin?”

    The owner of IFPG used to be a staff member of a defunct organization called Franchise Alliance. Some bad press came out about Dan Prechtel, the owner of Franchise Alliance which turned that company into a sinking ship almost overnight. Dan, the owner of IFPG along with a couple of other Franchise Alliance affiliated members basically took the database, spun up a website and offered a home to the Franchise Alliance brokers which is what has led to what IFPG is today. Oddly the birth of FranServe, their biggest rival, was born out of the very same Franchise Alliance downturn, just a slightly different plan of execution.

  • December 7, 2019 at 10:47 pm

    Has anyone heard (or have updates) what the outcome was with Scott on all his legal challenges coming from all sides? Does he still live in the U.S.? Has he paid any of the money to MJ? Has he been charged with fraud related to his bankruptcy actions/inactions?

    You have to find a lot of irony in those people doing interviews with Scott, a failed franchisor who has now filed two different bankruptcy. The man has destroyed so much personal (and business wealth) between landlords, suppliers, franchisees and possibly even family members that gave him money.
    On a related note, Scott was getting landlords, even relatively recently, to let him take over stores. You have to wonder what financial information he provided a landlord in late 2018 or 2019 that could possibly lead to landlord letting him take over.

    Hopefully, a book will be written about all the regulatory, reporting, failings that have led up Scott’s actions leading to so much capital destruction. Should also be a B school case study, possibly leading to regulatory reform.

  • December 10, 2019 at 9:52 am

    W. Scott Griffiths, Ron Love, Brigitte Thewes and Loretta Griffiths still suck.

  • December 16, 2019 at 7:02 am

    Scott Griffiths, Brigitte Thewes Love, Loretta Griffiths, Ron Love, Mark Elson, Chris Brown need to be exposed on a constant basis for what they are: parasites. May they always be in financial distress, may their health be failing, may they be uneasy, alone and constantly under investigation and may their families suffer for what they have done. With regard to their illegal and fraudulent activity, an update would be appreciated.

  • December 17, 2019 at 8:49 am

    Scott Griffiths, Loretta Griffiths, Brigitte Thewes (Love), Ron Love, Mark Elson and Chris Brown all need to be put in jail for fraud and theft.These parasites should experience financial instability/struggle for the remainder of the their lives, they along with their families should experience health issues as some of us are experiencing due to their diabolical and parasitic dishonesty.They should feel uneasy, unhappy and stressed everyday of their lives.They should lose their homes and struggle.Hoping that the right people have them investigated, especially Scott Griffiths.The money that they all have stolen needs to be found and given back to the honest Zee’s that invested in their sham.Does anyone have an update of what is happening legally with these thieves?

  • December 19, 2019 at 10:29 pm

    18/8 San Antonio posted W. Scott Griffith’s bankruptcy examination online. It is an utterly pathetic performance full of perjury. Hope this gets him jailed. I may hire a lawyer to pursue it myself if he annoys me in any manner.

  • January 20, 2020 at 6:04 am

    It’s been years since we closed our two years locations and it still breaks my heart. Watching my father lose his life savings over this will haunt me forever. I can only pray I have the opportunity to come face to face with these scumbags before they rot away.

  • January 23, 2020 at 4:22 pm

    What goes around comes around. Brigitte E. Thewes and her husband Andrew J. Thewes filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy protection on January 15, 2020. See 8:20-bk-10156-TA.

  • February 1, 2020 at 11:09 am

    The video, linked above, of Scott testifying, is fascinating. Keep in mind this was under oath. (Also watched the earlier one that comes up on YouTube with this one.) So many takeaways.

    1) You have to laugh when Scott talks about losing more money than anybody. Scott created this whole mess with major false statements on the FDD.
    2) He takes zero responsibility. Unbelievable.
    3) He talks about receivable from closed stores and rebranded stores. Huh? He timed his bankruptcy because MJ was about to get independent validation that Scott was at fault. Indeed, that judgement resumed with arbitration siding with MJ.
    4) Be blamed “bad apples”, of course. Scott has never taken responsibility in his life it appears. Just ask him. Let’s see. These “bad apples” people believed his FDD, were financially armed by relying on his false documents and yet they are “bad apples” for seeking justice. I guess a bank robber can blame someone calling the police as to why they land up in jail. Incredible
    5) Andrew Hulse was going to be the next owner for all this? (That is except for his subsequently developed under-cutting Griff’s Shave Bar plan that Scott was still planning on launching. A parallel business. Guess he hasn’t wrecked enough people’s life savings.
    6) Scott moves purposely receivables so a secured creditor bank (Center Point?) can’t be paid!
    7) Scott says he always has paid his bills. Ha! Yet related businesses and individuals have reported for well over 3 years that they haven’t been paid by Scott. Look at the context of how so many business relationships have ended with Scott. Consider the evictions and how many times, based on his own experience, he advised others not to pay their landlords or SBA loans. Consider the bankruptcy that preceded this one.
    8) Scott must have a dispute on the amount he owes with about 8 different companies! Really, what is the law of averages that many people are billing him incorrectly at such large dollar amounts?
    9) There are multiple folks filing claims that Scott has never even heard. Again, so much bad luck for one individual. I guess Scott is just a magnate for incorrect billing and entities making up bills. The common theme, Scott is NEVER responsible. It is ALWAYS someone’s fault.

    After watching these videos, I now wonder about testimony under oath, whether it is bankruptcy related or not. General Flynn got in a lot of hot water for potentially making untrue statements.

    In this country, do we have equal application of the law?

  • February 4, 2020 at 7:58 pm

    Lucas, you might have the years running together some.

    Word started surfacing around 6 years ago about people, contractors, suppliers not getting paid.

  • February 5, 2020 at 6:41 pm

    Who is MJ?

  • February 6, 2020 at 10:58 pm

    Never Again,

    To answer your question, he is an American hero.

  • February 10, 2020 at 2:34 am

    How do I get this ding-dong, W. Scott Griffiths to stop showing up at our events? He keeps trying to scam our members into investing in his idiotic ideas.

  • March 31, 2020 at 4:03 pm

    Since we are all home now I thought I would pass this on to you. Maybe since you bought your 188 franchise from St. Gregory Development group or St. Gregory Hold Co you lost your life savings. Maybe you had to move or you lost your house all together. Rest assured Lance Freemen from St. Gregory Group / St Gregory Hold Co is sitting comfortable in his 4.1 million dollar house. The lawsuits against St. Gregory Group for fraud does not affect his ability to relax by the pool.

  • March 31, 2020 at 7:18 pm

    ifpg represents this franchiser. no vetting no research only cash

  • March 31, 2020 at 11:46 pm

    In their own word from the Executives of STG on their linked in site.

    Todd specializes in franchise recruitment. He is nationally known for his “relationship based” sales techniques. People buy franchises from who they like and trust. Todd never loses site of that mantra in regard to his own sales efforts or the training of employees and clients on behalf of St. Gregory.

    In the franchising world, Todd has also been one of the most successful sales consultants in the country finishing in the top 1% year after year. As a result of his strong relationship based selling and outstanding production, Todd has developed strong, deep rooted contacts within the franchising community that continue to produce explosive results for all of our franchisor clients.

    St. Gregory Development Group is a full service outsourced development engine providing franchisors:
    • Franchise Sales
    • Marketing
    • Operations
    • Legal
    • Compliance
    • Web & Graphic Design

    Our strategic partners provide our franchisors:
    • Real Estate
    • Public Relations
    • Construction Management

  • April 11, 2020 at 2:53 am

    The last 10 minutes are the best from St. Gregory Development Group ( STG Brands / St. Gregory Holding Co.) In case you are wondering how things worked out for them, here you go. Not a word about 188 because it was a failing brand and they only mention the successes.


    They are dissolving this company now.

  • April 14, 2020 at 2:43 pm

    IFPG International Franchise Professional Group represents this franchise. No vetting just cash grab.

  • May 13, 2020 at 10:14 am

    Wow! Not surprising. Chris Brown and Andrew Hulse should be responsible as well. They were covering up for Scott and Ron Love and Brigitte Thewes. Chris Brown and Andrew Hulse are working with Scott again to defraud more people with Ace Griff’s Shave Bar.

  • May 13, 2020 at 5:27 pm

    IFPG features this franchise. As with many others that are either emerging or failing no background checks are done before added to the International Franchise Professional Group. Even Franserve, another corrupt organization has couple with Franchise Grade to get some research done on its Franchises listed.

  • May 27, 2020 at 8:19 am

    does anyone have an update as to what these thieves are up to? head con artist – ron griffiths & his sweet, fake wife loretta , the if i hide i’ll be innocent – ron love, academy award winner – bridget thewes, chris brown the clown and the rest of these evil slugs.
    lawsuits on all? pending? like the rest of you nice
    people, still digging out of this mess but hoping these slime buckets get what they deserve. sadness, uncertainty, lawyers fees, loss of homes, no job & that someone just like them steals “our” money from them. update please. peace.

  • May 28, 2020 at 1:27 pm

    Ron Love is defending himself by claiming that he only has a grade school education, that he is suffering from health problems, that he is a senior citizen with no future earnings potential, that he did not know that he was listed as the president of Ultimate Brands, Inc. in the FDD, that he was not the co-founder of “18|8”, that he was only paid on an hourly basis by Scott Griffiths to provide coaching on training stylists, that he was a victim of Scott and Loretta Griffits, etc. ad nauseam. He has filed cross claims in pending lawsuits against Scott Griffiths and St. Gregory. And yes, Ron Love is doing all of this despite all the emails, videos, FDDs, etc. in which he is listed or he expressly states/signs as president of Ultimate Brands, Inc. and/or co-founder of 18|8.

  • May 29, 2020 at 8:38 am

    thanks cooper griffiths. are they all living comfortably? im hoping they are buried in legal fees. hoping the lawyers take it all.

  • May 29, 2020 at 2:01 pm

    Cooper Griffiths is your case moving forward or on hold.

  • May 29, 2020 at 2:03 pm

    Cooper Griffiths is your case moving forward or on hold.

  • July 24, 2020 at 9:55 am

    On 07/06/2020:

    Ultimate Franchises, Inc.
    Bankruptcy Court Docket Sheet
    Central District of California (Bankruptcy)
    8:2020-bk-11909 (cacb)

  • July 25, 2020 at 5:50 am

    International Franchise Professional Group highly promoted franchise amongst broker consultants. For those who entered into a license agreement with Eighteen Eight or Griffs Ace Grooming and Shave Bar you should immediately file suit to at a minimum obtain your franchise fee back from the broker consultant who was complicit in the sale of this franchise and likely not listed in the FDD. It is also possible to file suit against the International Franchise Professional Group for acting as intermediary between the franchise and broker consultants. All this in addition to your losses and FDD violations, if any, against the company itself. See a reputable franchise attorney as soon as possible and one that defends franchisees and not franchisors.

  • July 27, 2020 at 2:26 pm

    Have any 18|8 franchisees filed a claim vs. IFPG and/or the broker that introduced them to 18|8? Looks like IFPG is based in NJ, which has a 6-year statute of limitations period for fraud claims (which may not start until you should have first learned of the alleged fraud). If so, did you hire an attorney or file the claim yourself given that you had to purchase the franchise as an individual. Thanks

  • September 24, 2020 at 10:31 pm

    I am not aware of a suit.

    I know periodically many franchisees who lost their life savings might occasionally read this site as they pause to reflect on how they got swindled, so here’s a thought: my suspicion is that there has been some serious money to be had by lawsuits occurring after the first group of franchisees prevailed in their departure. The subsequent folks had more information to go on and were not bound by any limiting factors. Of course all settlements have NDAs associated, but keep an eye out for when individual franchisees go dark on communication. It probably means a significant payout. St Gregory, still hoping to sell franchises in CA, may have paid out big bucks. They also don’t want other would be franchisors to know of their ongoing litigation. Maybe 7 figures was the payout from STG. Obviously STG and Lance were complicit in pulling off this fraud where Griffits could not support one cost of goods sold number reported on the FDD. STG clearly knew the financial reporting section was probably the provision that investors would focus on. STG gave 47% as the cost of goods figure. No way they get by with no lifting a finger to look at a single document to support selling over 100 franchisees to people paying $100,000. Throw in how Griffiths was proven to be a liar quickly and easily under oath.

  • September 29, 2020 at 1:46 am

    I told Griffiths this would be my brand. Now it’s my brand. Good riddance to the Grifter.

    Yelp has been removing all my good reviews. Does anyone know what I can do about that? Looking for some advice. Anyone?

  • October 5, 2020 at 3:09 pm

    Chris Clown, what reviews? Can you explain a little more? Yelp is so tricky.
    Also, does anyone know the end results of Griffiths and his beloved Loretta, Ron Love, Brown, Brigitte? Im curious to know as they have caused so much grief to so many that I hope they feel our pain x 1000.

  • October 28, 2020 at 12:42 am

    St. Gregory was such a scam as are most “franchise consultants” that are in the business of selling multiple units to overly optimistic customers. I was in the business of assessing risk across a portfolio of franchise brands and one of the #1 red flags pointing to a short-lived brand was outsourced development. It pains me to hear the stories of loss that entrepreneurs have encountered not because of a lack of individual effort and sacrifice but due to the grossly unreasonable expectations set by franchise brands. Hopefully aspiring franchisees see this thread and take a minute to understand how the franchise model works and the divide between hope & reality.

  • January 15, 2021 at 10:27 am

    Has anyone heard of what has become of Scott Griffith?

  • February 23, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    Still lives in a 2 plus million dollar house with three Lexus cars in the driveway.

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